Well, all I can say is I'm an Incubator kind of guy. I had to satisfy my curiosity and give a Phoenix a try, but after a quick nap I decided the 3/4 UQ is not for me. This is obviously a catch an release; delivered to my door just 4 hours ago. Brand new w/ stuff sack. Standard 20° Phoenix +1oz overfill Argon 67 material Hunter green outside Black inside $205 shipped to contiguous US via UPS Ground. Accepting Paypal. Price is firm. Yes, I got the Black Friday deal so I'm just looking to break even after shipping. You still save over regular price. We both win