I have an Echo II tarp with the insert, stakes, and stuff sack. It's basically brand new, I've used it about 5 times and it's just not my thing. That's why it's been sitting in my closet and I've been using my tent instead. I would be willing to trade this tarp and insert for a 2400 or 3400 series Hyperlite MG pack (medium or large sizing) that has outer pouches. Let me know if you're interested! I can take pictures if needed.