Miuras have been used roughly 10 times. Bought different style of shoe and don't plan to use these anymore. Plenty of life left in the soles, and no smell! $60 for shoes. Apex has been used on two weekend trips. It's a great pack, and very comfortable; I just have another one around the same size and don't need both. $80 for pack. Local pickup around Golden/Denver/Boulder, or buyer pays shipping.