I switched to a Draumr Hammock which uses a pad: selling my 0 degree set up 2013 Hammock Gear Incubator and Burrow BOTH:: -have 4 oz of overstuff -stored uncompressed in a loose sack, non-smoking home, in a rubbermaid container -look brand-new in matching dark Olive Green in and out -pre Argon material -Burrow is short version with snaps, regular width: 73" by 50" ( I am 5'6" and had a lot of extra room) -Incubator is short version with extended suspension to fit an 11 foot hammock, regular width:73" by 43" (fit my Dream Hammock well) new each costs $297 before shipping with a 6-8 week wait (at least was for mine) will sell each for $265 shipped to CONUS and i will cover paypal fees and i will sell both as a combo for $500 shipped to CONUS *paypal please*