These bottoms didn’t get used because they were just a little to long and big for me.  I am short so someone a little taller would really like them.  They are the lightest at 3.6 oz on my scale.  Discontinued April 2019 so these aren’t easy to always find.  Men’s size medium and I am asking F&F $40 dollars shipped free first class mail anywhere in the Cont. US.  If you don’t like F&F just add the 3% to the $40.